Curse

EmperorTippy · Jun 21, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I was bored today waiting for America to get the favor so I could go to FoW for some armor supplies.

I went to the Iron Mines mission in the southern shiverpeaks and a W/Mo leading the usal PUG build (2 W/x , 2 Mo/xx , 2 Nukers , and 2 Others) and he needed another person. He had 3 W/Mo , 2 Mo/xx , and 2 Nukers. He said "Group with 2 monks looking for 1 more - rangers need not apply". Well I got annoyed at this and had nothing to do so I did this.

I posted "I'm setting up a group of disenfranchised players (rangers, mesmers, necros, and other weird builds) - Whisper your class for an invite"

After about 5 miniutes I had a full team of me E/Mo specked in healing, 3 Necros with various secondarys, a E/Me, and 3 Rangers. We went on and stated the mission. About 2 miniutes the other elemtal drops out. The rest of us went on and did the mission we had lots of fun, no problems that many people complain about in PUGS and one of the most enjoyable experiances I have had playing guildwars for 200+ hours usally with other people.

I tried this for the next mission becase America still hadn't gotten favor. Thsi time we had about 3 people besides me the same as last time. I posted the same message as above and we went on and did the mission with largly the same enjoyment and experiance. (it was the infusion mission BTW)

A friend and I then went and did thisfor the dragons lair mission. We got a good, competant group again and had no trouble finishing the mission and bonus. This group wasn't quite as nice but was definatly in the top 10 of PUGS I have played with.

Maybe you should try this with the following guidelines:

-Anyone who asks what disenfranchised means shouldn't be taken.
-Get the team involved by asking stuff like is that W/N (a very good tank BTW) weird enough and enough of a misfit to join etc. this gets your team involved and leads to a better experiance.
-Have fun with people and if anyone coments on how well your doing say stuff like "Yeah and to think were all unwanted misfits."

Algren Cole · Jun 21, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Anyone that can't see the effectiveness of a Ranger should stop playing the game.....Rangers are the very best support class.

Yes I am a ranger...and yes I tank as well as well as warriors do...I do about as much damage...I can trap...I can heal...I can attack multiple targets with a single shot...I bring an extra 'tanker' into every party...

there is no one class that's better than the others...it's all in how effectively you play the class.

EmperorTippy · Jun 21, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Anyone that can't see the effectiveness of a Ranger should stop playing the game.....Rangers are the very best support class.

Yes I am a ranger...and yes I tank as well as well as warriors do...I do about as much damage...I can trap...I can heal...I can attack multiple targets with a single shot...I bring an extra 'tanker' into every party...

there is no one class that's better than the others...it's all in how effectively you play the class.

I never said I didn't see the efetiveness of a ranger. I said I started this idea because of another "persons" (are W/Mo's even people) misconceptions about rangers.

Algren Cole · Jun 21, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

I never said I didn't see the efetiveness of a ranger. I said I started this idea because of another "persons" (are W/Mo's even people) misconceptions about rangers.

it was a side note...not exactly relevant to your idea

I like your idea...I take it upon myself to "LF Warrior....must have a brain larger than his penis" or when warriors respond "Are you semi-retarded?"

the ones that take it lightly and "lol" it off are the warriors I want to party with....a vast majority of the GW community takes the game more seriously than I am comfortable with...being around them makes me want to slit my wrists.

EmperorTippy · Jun 21, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

^^
Same with me the third group I did this with had a W/N who was quite good and did non of that common warrior stuff that pisses everyone off. But I sumanarily reject W/Mo's who think that they are misfits or apply. While their are some good W/Mo's that bad ones have poisened me to the whole build with the exception of about 5 of them.

ElderAtronach · Jun 21, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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-Anyone who asks what disenfranchised means shouldn't be taken.

LMAO oh that's classic. I need to use that line in general chat some time. Hahahaha

Yeah, I've had a few experiences like this, for example: my R/W was trying to get a PUG set up for the Ring of Fire mission, and almost everyone in the district were Rangers or afk Mo/X and E/Mos. So I invited another ranger just to try and get something started. Then another ranger. We were all like, "hmm lets get another ranger". Then we had an 8 ranger party, and we had all the subclasses covered between us.

It was rough in the beginning since it was a PUG and we didn't coordinate who was calling until a couple of battles in. But then we had some great teamwork after that, with most of us using spirits and traps and throw dirt out the wazoo. We destroyed most everything we ran into. Sparks were no problem, they died to winter and elemental bowstrings. Mursaat? Dont make me laugh. The ONLY thing we had a lot of trouble with were (gasp) other ranger monsters like spiders, using distracting shots and whirling defense. lol. Good thing we could out trap them like hell...

EDIT: we didn't need monks what with all the troll unguents and healing springs we were all carrying. It was great, since if one of us was getting pounded on, we would run by him and use healing spring. Multiple springs and a troll unguent are better than monk healing. LOL

Ulric Druss · Jun 21, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

^^
Same with me the third group I did this with had a W/N who was quite good and did non of that common warrior stuff that pisses everyone off. But I sumanarily reject W/Mo's who think that they are misfits or apply. While their are some good W/Mo's that bad ones have poisened me to the whole build with the exception of about 5 of them.

My main character (whose name is, wonder of wonders, Ulric Druss) is a W/N.
Most of the time when looking for a group I simply say "Tank LFG Mission and Bonus" as I've found a lot of teams will pick a W/Mo over me if I mention that I'm a Necromancer secondary.

I'm a pretty good player. I know how to properly tank, I have a good feel for when to aggro and when not to, I keep an eye on my team's healer(s), and I know when to wait and be patient.

I know what you mean, though...it seems, with some notable exceptions, that "weird" builds are generally chosen by more interesting, experienced players who are looking to have fun and try out new stuff.

Sofonisba · Jun 21, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Wow.

I am becoming very disheartened to read that I will be typecast as a bumbling idiot fool of a noob if I ever make it to the higher levels with my W/Mo (lvl 17 at the moment).

Should I just ditch her right now? This was the first build I picked, not realizing that it was a “noob” type build, but thinking I could be useful as a hard-hitter, potentially self-sufficient as a healer, and if I survive, a rezzer. In my very humble opinion she is always an asset to her team—too bad it looks like she may never be given the chance to do her thing when it counts, unless there are willing guildmates around.

I never discriminate on basis of class or level when forming/joining a team.

I have since created a monk, an elementalist and most recently a mesmer. The mesmer I was inspired to create after partying and having great success with mesmers—I wanted to be just like them! …So I suppose I will most likely experience their kind of discrimination soon (she is still pre).

As I take on each profession I learn more and more about how to be better in my other professions.

I guess I should probably just chill.

Gara · Jun 21, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59

No you see, a W/Mo is a great build, Sofonisba.

Anyone with half a brain can see a W/Mo is a great build. Sadly, those people, with their half a brain, do badly as a team player.

relientK_fan · Jun 21, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00

/gasp

More people thinking the W/Mo is for retards! Could a retard get to Ring of Fire? Huh? I wasnm't rushed iether, and I did every mission with PUGs, and guess what: I was about the smartest person in all of them. I can kite, I can pull, I can call targets, I can tank, I can deal damage, and I can keep myself alive. This is with a 3 attribute build.

I always like to have a mesmer/ranger/necromancer in a group. Anyone realize there's less Mesmers then Monks? That's pitiful. Once you've played with a good Mesmer, you will wonder how you got by before.

IxChel · Jun 21, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

I am becoming very disheartened to read that I will be typecast as a bumbling idiot fool of a noob if I ever make it to the higher levels with my W/Mo (lvl 17 at the moment).

In the "ring of fire" (I think) my mesmer got blessed with a very good pick-up-group started by a warrior/monk. He liked my advertisement:

"Funky Mesmer looking to give Mursaat Elementalists a bad hair day."

He then went on to invite a good group including two rangers, a necromancer, a monk, and two elementalists. Anyway, we cut through that mission like butter. However, it took him a while to get the group he wanted. For example, the first monk we had "insisted" that he have another tank -- he followed up with "no" and kicked the monk. Then, when we only had one monk, and he had just invited the 2nd elementalist (with a monk secondary), the other elementalist complained that we needed two monks. That was that, another kick.

The whole time we were chatting about our builds and strategies. When one of the ranger's didn't chime-in, he asked him about his build. After a belated, "I ki1ls sTuf", bang, another kick. He kicked 3 people before we finally had our team, and many more left the group; it took about 20 min to form the team -- but it was fun chatting about strategy before we went in. We talked about pulling, etc. When we finally did enter the mission, the wait was worth it. His play was excellent; he let the rangers pull, and then, once we were not going to engage other mobs, he dashed in and made a good tank.

So, that said, I'd stick with your monk/warrior. I'd just be selective about who you group with; don't end up in a "pack" of other warriors

Sofonisba · Jun 21, 2005, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Gara

No you see, a W/Mo is a great build, Sofonisba.

Anyone with half a brain can see a W/Mo is a great build. Sadly, those people, with their half a brain, do badly as a team player.

Gee, I wonder why I was worried about finding someone like you to party with.

As they say, "nvm."

eA-Zaku · Jun 22, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Like most W/Mo's, most Rangers are newer players, or are just plain retarded.

Proof? Two of my friends played Rangers when they first started, and most W/Mo's you meet are either good, or complete idiots.

True, it's a stereotype, but it's reinforced by numerous negative experiences that the majority of people that I have spoken to have had.

Santosh · Jun 22, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

Wow.

I am becoming very disheartened to read that I will be typecast as a bumbling idiot fool of a noob if I ever make it to the higher levels with my W/Mo (lvl 17 at the moment).

Should I just ditch her right now? This was the first build I picked, not realizing that it was a “noob” type build, but thinking I could be useful as a hard-hitter, potentially self-sufficient as a healer, and if I survive, a rezzer. In my very humble opinion she is always an asset to her team—too bad it looks like she may never be given the chance to do her thing when it counts, unless there are willing guildmates around.

I never discriminate on basis of class or level when forming/joining a team.

I have since created a monk, an elementalist and most recently a mesmer. The mesmer I was inspired to create after partying and having great success with mesmers—I wanted to be just like them! …So I suppose I will most likely experience their kind of discrimination soon (she is still pre).

As I take on each profession I learn more and more about how to be better in my other professions.

I guess I should probably just chill.

Don't let the masses dictate how you want to play. It's the person behind the toon that counts, not the toon itself. It doesn't matter what class combination you have, it's how well you play with others.

Unfortunately, only good players will know how good you are. Better players will actually forgive you if you make a mistake and learn from it. The worst players are the ones who insult you after you screw up (because it's your first time in a zone) and then proceed to disconnect from your group in the middle of a mission.

Marc Grahamsworth · Jun 22, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by IxChel

"Funky Mesmer looking to give Mursaat Elementalists a bad hair day."

Haha nice one

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I've usually gone in games asking to join existing groups since I can't be bothered leading a party. More often than not though, I've had to resort to leading one since you'd end up with about 12 people going "LFG" - so it seemed stupid if we just kept on "Looking for a group" not realising we already had enough to form one! The best ways to get the mature or competent players to join a group is to use correct English (or throw in some vocabulary as EmperorTippy did) or state from the start what particular classes you want in your build (e.g. "WANTED: Party to venture into the Hall of Heroes. Need 1 Warrior, 1 Elementalist, 1 Necromancer, 1 Ranger, 2 healers and 1 Protector. Whisper to join."). That way, people know you're SERIOUS about forming a proper party, and hence are willing to give it a shot.

IxChel · Jun 22, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Marc Grahamsworth

(e.g. "WANTED: Party to venture into the Hall of Heroes. Need 1 Warrior, 1 Elementalist, 1 Necromancer, 1 Ranger, 2 healers and 1 Protector. Whisper to join.")..

Hmm. I'm not sure about the 'Whisper to join' part.

From the context of someone joining a group, I must prefer to type in the name of the group leader next to the big plus button. I do this since it puts my name on the list of people they can accept; if I'm going to invest time typing in a message -- I want it clear up-front that I'm interested. Just as importantly, this gives me a way to see the makeup of the team that they already have -- I take good note of not only the composition, but the names of people who have flashed across my screen. If the composition looks to be all warriors, I'm quick with the "uninvite" button. On the other side of the coin, if I see people in the group that have put-up thoughtful announcements, or even recognize someone that I've gammed with; I'm much more likely to proceed with this group. Finally, after I've scanned the list, I usually then compose a small introduction message to the group leader and whisper them. That said -- my whisper never comes first.

From the context of someone who has been in a group looking for more, but not the leader; it's very important to know that the group leader isn't sitting on his hands. If people are showing up wanting to join, I can see the activity -- it is more visible. When I see 10 people show up on the list, and only 2 get accepted, this gives me confidence that the group leader has an idea of the build he is after and is actively filtering. On the other hand, if everyone who is listed gets accepted right away... I immediately lose confidence. In this case (when there is a huge/random invite list, or everyone who asks to join is immediately accepted), I query if he knows everyone -- if not, I leave. Hiring people takes time, and I don't want to be part of a group that rushes it. I'm going to invest the next 2h of my life with this group -- taking 15 min to get it right isn't too much to ask.

From the context of someone who is a group leader, getting /msg is very annoying. I'd also like to conduct interviews _on_ the team chat before we enter a mission. So, I'll accept someone who sounds good from their announcement; but then I'll ask them to tell me about themselves. If they don't type in something that makes sense, I use the kick button. Also, when they get kicked, other people who I have invited saw why they got kicked (and if they disagree, they have the option to leave; which in itself is a good filtering mechanism). In short, I feel doing things in private creates the wrong atmosphere; I'd rather get the group participants chatting well before we enter the mission so I can measure the group dynamics.

EmperorTippy · Jun 22, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I'm very sorry about discriminating against W/Mo's but as this was a group for the people that no other group wanted W/Mo's don't really fit. I am willing to give a W/Mo a try on a mission but I always bring my Unyielding Aura just in case

look here for my reason:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=23082

EmperorTippy · Jun 22, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Santosh

Don't let the masses dictate how you want to play. It's the person behind the toon that counts, not the toon itself. It doesn't matter what class combination you have, it's how well you play with others.

Unfortunately, only good players will know how good you are. Better players will actually forgive you if you make a mistake and learn from it. The worst players are the ones who insult you after you screw up (because it's your first time in a zone) and then proceed to disconnect from your group in the middle of a mission.

You should never insult people. And forginivng is allowed except when you do the exact same thing wrong again like 30 seconds later.

Marc Grahamsworth · Jun 22, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by IxChel

From the context of someone who is a group leader, getting /msg is very annoying. I'd also like to conduct interviews _on_ the team chat before we enter a mission. So, I'll accept someone who sounds good from their announcement; but then I'll ask them to tell me about themselves. If they don't type in something that makes sense, I use the kick button. Also, when they get kicked, other people who I have invited saw why they got kicked (and if they disagree, they have the option to leave; which in itself is a good filtering mechanism). In short, I feel doing things in private creates the wrong atmosphere; I'd rather get the group participants chatting well before we enter the mission so I can measure the group dynamics.

That is a good point. Although the reason I ask people to whisper is because sometimes you'll get randoms wanting to join every party they find (i.e. randomly running around requesting to join parties). Although then again it won't make much difference since using your method you'll find out soon enough once you start talking to them. Although then you can't multi-thread conversations with potential recruits as you can with whispers

. Matter of preference I guess. I agree with everything else you've said

. Definitely worth the time and effort to sort the group out first before doing a Leroy Jenkins and rushing into the mission.

Aaaaagh · Jun 22, 2005, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Anyone that can't see the effectiveness of a Ranger should stop playing the game.....Rangers are the very best support class.

Yes I am a ranger...and yes I tank as well as well as warriors do...I do about as much damage...I can trap...I can heal...I can attack multiple targets with a single shot...I bring an extra 'tanker' into every party...

there is no one class that's better than the others...it's all in how effectively you play the class.

We got owned in 4v4 pvp by a group of 3 rangers and a monk the other night. They counter any casting team, which 90% of pvp groups are, with crazy affectiveness. So we think, lets go at them with warriors...hehe, well they take out the monk with thier nuts interupts, and then blind the rest. Rangers! Bleh!